pakistan-afghanistan border and even their own country. that's issue number one. i do think we're make something progress on the military front, particularly, first of all, some success, military successes, with nato and other forces. and most important, it seems to me, improving the capacity of the afghan security forces, the army, and the police force and that's ultimately our exit ticket out of there. it remains to be seen where we can get enough of that accomplished by the 2014 date talked about and also there's the issue of cost. a force like this, we estimate, is going to cost five, six, seven, maybe $8 billion a year to support, and the afghan government, the national budget at the moment is slightly less than $1 billion. so they're going to be on some kind of international life support for a long time to come. >> rose:. >> i think that pakistan, i agree with john, is very important, and i think it still is being both sdprend adversary at the same time, and sanctuaries continue and we need to still do much more both positive and neg